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		<title>By: Ice</title>
		<link>http://improveverywhere.com/2005/04/05/improv-everywhere-on-this-american-life/comment-page-6/#comment-83856</link>
		<dc:creator>Ice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s really sad how the show &#039;Mind Games&#039; just tells such a misleading story about IE, the goal wasn&#039;t to &#039;mindfuck&#039; someone but to suprise someone with a good time. Why is &#039;ballkick&#039;, &#039;boiling points&#039;, &#039;punked&#039; etc (shows which are completely negative to the victim) somehow acceptable when a well meaning surprise gets flammed like heck?

Yea there&#039;s always two sides to a story and it&#039;s sad that the targets didn&#039;t completely appreciate it, but it wasn&#039;t THAT bad. Honestly, should you never try to initiate something nice for someone for fear that they won&#039;t appreciate it? A few on the best and most memorable times in my life were from strangers stepping up and doing something odd and unexpected. I&#039;m just glad that &#039;Best Game Ever&#039; went down well :). Proof that not all events that targets a group not in the know is a bad idea. Just gotta get the right audience I guess.

As a side note, I actually thought the band sounded really good! And it seemed to me that he broadcast had aimed to paint IE in a bad light from the start. It sounded to me like they had cut out whatever positive stuff GOP ever said about IE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s really sad how the show &#8216;Mind Games&#8217; just tells such a misleading story about IE, the goal wasn&#8217;t to &#8216;mindfuck&#8217; someone but to suprise someone with a good time. Why is &#8216;ballkick&#8217;, &#8216;boiling points&#8217;, &#8216;punked&#8217; etc (shows which are completely negative to the victim) somehow acceptable when a well meaning surprise gets flammed like heck?</p>
<p>Yea there&#8217;s always two sides to a story and it&#8217;s sad that the targets didn&#8217;t completely appreciate it, but it wasn&#8217;t THAT bad. Honestly, should you never try to initiate something nice for someone for fear that they won&#8217;t appreciate it? A few on the best and most memorable times in my life were from strangers stepping up and doing something odd and unexpected. I&#8217;m just glad that &#8216;Best Game Ever&#8217; went down well :). Proof that not all events that targets a group not in the know is a bad idea. Just gotta get the right audience I guess.</p>
<p>As a side note, I actually thought the band sounded really good! And it seemed to me that he broadcast had aimed to paint IE in a bad light from the start. It sounded to me like they had cut out whatever positive stuff GOP ever said about IE</p>
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		<title>By: Yoyoyo in da hiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yoyoyo in da hiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL At people saying the band thing was cruel, just goes to show morons believe anything they see on a show. And not from GOP themselves (they talked on this site)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL At people saying the band thing was cruel, just goes to show morons believe anything they see on a show. And not from GOP themselves (they talked on this site)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H.</title>
		<link>http://improveverywhere.com/2005/04/05/improv-everywhere-on-this-american-life/comment-page-6/#comment-2287</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 May 2006 07:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm - of course, hindsight is 20-20, but I just have to comment. I understand what IE is trying to accomplish, and yet, sometimes, even the best intentions go awry.

The selection of &quot;Ted&quot; wasn&#039;t handled well - the core idea was sound, the problem was that &quot;Ted&quot; didn&#039;t really have a firm idea that he was _supposed_ to enjoy this and take it at face value. Is that his fault, or Charlie&#039;s? Probably a little of both. Not much Charlie could have done about Ted&#039;s choice, but he could have handled his. A better way to have selected &quot;Ted&quot; would have been to call around to several bars and find someone that was having a birthday, and go there and celebrate them, or let &quot;Ted&quot; know in the beginning that it was a performance, and ask him to play along. That way the &quot;birthday&quot; person could have enjoyed the evening, instead of fretting over it.

As for GOP, I see two things that IE did &quot;wrong&quot;. 1 - leaving immediately after the show just invalidated the entire experience for the band, even if everyone&#039;s enthusiasm was real.
2. Actually publishing the bands name on the IE site.  Unlike others, I think doing the write up was fine - but to protect the band from the fallout that would inevitably occur, you should have changed the bands name in the write up to protect the real band and delayed the report until several months afterwards - or, at least, given them the choice. 

I know the intent was to help the band out, but hindsight appears to show us that failed, at least to some extent, although I have to admit that I never would have found GOP without IE - and I have found a few songs I like on their website.  And I do think that Charlie made an effort to find a band that had some genuine talent, rather than just grabbing a band at random - which shows me that he learned something from the experience with &quot;Ted&quot;. 

It&#039;s also telling that IE hasn&#039;t tried anything like this since the the TAL show that they&#039;ve publicized. So they&#039;ve learned something.

I, for one, would like to see a reattempt at the core idea behind both events - only applying everything they learned not to do.

For example, repeat the b-day experience, but this time pick someone whose really celebrating their birthday. Or pick an band that needs support, but don&#039;t tell the IE agents who they&#039;re seeing until showtime, and don&#039;t ask them to go over the top as fans, either.  The Best Gig Ever event could have been just as warm and wonderful for GOP just by having 35 extra people show up on a sunday night to enjoy a show. And maybe write it up a little different from the other missions - not as a standard mission, but as &quot;an artist appreciation&quot; mission, with all the IE agents attending giving honest reviews about the band, not about what the agents themselves did.

Anyway, I&#039;ve preached too much - keep up the positive spirit of IE, and learn from the negative.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm &#8211; of course, hindsight is 20-20, but I just have to comment. I understand what IE is trying to accomplish, and yet, sometimes, even the best intentions go awry.</p>
<p>The selection of &#8220;Ted&#8221; wasn&#8217;t handled well &#8211; the core idea was sound, the problem was that &#8220;Ted&#8221; didn&#8217;t really have a firm idea that he was _supposed_ to enjoy this and take it at face value. Is that his fault, or Charlie&#8217;s? Probably a little of both. Not much Charlie could have done about Ted&#8217;s choice, but he could have handled his. A better way to have selected &#8220;Ted&#8221; would have been to call around to several bars and find someone that was having a birthday, and go there and celebrate them, or let &#8220;Ted&#8221; know in the beginning that it was a performance, and ask him to play along. That way the &#8220;birthday&#8221; person could have enjoyed the evening, instead of fretting over it.</p>
<p>As for GOP, I see two things that IE did &#8220;wrong&#8221;. 1 &#8211; leaving immediately after the show just invalidated the entire experience for the band, even if everyone&#8217;s enthusiasm was real.<br />
2. Actually publishing the bands name on the IE site.  Unlike others, I think doing the write up was fine &#8211; but to protect the band from the fallout that would inevitably occur, you should have changed the bands name in the write up to protect the real band and delayed the report until several months afterwards &#8211; or, at least, given them the choice. </p>
<p>I know the intent was to help the band out, but hindsight appears to show us that failed, at least to some extent, although I have to admit that I never would have found GOP without IE &#8211; and I have found a few songs I like on their website.  And I do think that Charlie made an effort to find a band that had some genuine talent, rather than just grabbing a band at random &#8211; which shows me that he learned something from the experience with &#8220;Ted&#8221;. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also telling that IE hasn&#8217;t tried anything like this since the the TAL show that they&#8217;ve publicized. So they&#8217;ve learned something.</p>
<p>I, for one, would like to see a reattempt at the core idea behind both events &#8211; only applying everything they learned not to do.</p>
<p>For example, repeat the b-day experience, but this time pick someone whose really celebrating their birthday. Or pick an band that needs support, but don&#8217;t tell the IE agents who they&#8217;re seeing until showtime, and don&#8217;t ask them to go over the top as fans, either.  The Best Gig Ever event could have been just as warm and wonderful for GOP just by having 35 extra people show up on a sunday night to enjoy a show. And maybe write it up a little different from the other missions &#8211; not as a standard mission, but as &#8220;an artist appreciation&#8221; mission, with all the IE agents attending giving honest reviews about the band, not about what the agents themselves did.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ve preached too much &#8211; keep up the positive spirit of IE, and learn from the negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 08:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s get this straight. Guy goes into a bar with friend. Get&#039;s showered with gifts, free shots, pool games and positive attention. 

Upon realising that &quot;Ted&quot; aint going to show up, this guys in a great spot. C&#039;mon, who can disagree with this? If you don&#039;t want to be aproached by strangers, DON&#039;T ENTER A BAR? People there are more likely to be single, social and intoxicated. If you are a frail and sensative person, stay at home! Buy your beers at the liqour store and stay in! 

It&#039;s a bar people... that&#039;s where random people meet.

Geesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s get this straight. Guy goes into a bar with friend. Get&#8217;s showered with gifts, free shots, pool games and positive attention. </p>
<p>Upon realising that &#8220;Ted&#8221; aint going to show up, this guys in a great spot. C&#8217;mon, who can disagree with this? If you don&#8217;t want to be aproached by strangers, DON&#8217;T ENTER A BAR? People there are more likely to be single, social and intoxicated. If you are a frail and sensative person, stay at home! Buy your beers at the liqour store and stay in! </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bar people&#8230; that&#8217;s where random people meet.</p>
<p>Geesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 18:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike said, &quot;It&#039;s much like people who mess wih people on LSD or something.&quot;

Now, that sounds like some good fun! I don&#039;t personally know anybody &quot;on LSD or something&quot;; but if Mike is volunteering, I want in on that mission! :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike said, &#8220;It&#8217;s much like people who mess wih people on LSD or something.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, that sounds like some good fun! I don&#8217;t personally know anybody &#8220;on LSD or something&#8221;; but if Mike is volunteering, I want in on that mission! :-P</p>
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		<title>By: Eric from NY</title>
		<link>http://improveverywhere.com/2005/04/05/improv-everywhere-on-this-american-life/comment-page-6/#comment-2284</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric from NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that what you do is interesting to contemplate; the shaking up of a person or person&#039;s usual, filtered, safe, state of mind.  But don&#039;t forget that the instinct to be safe is driven by exactly real existential anxieties.  Please be sure that you have personally, deeply, honestly examined your methodology for precipitating a break-through.  Please consider whether true breakthroughs must come from within.  For some, your method can reap benefit, because their position in their processes of emotional liberation is fertil.  But for others, plain and simple, it won&#039;t be.  For those others are you projecting what would benefit you, in your position in the procces of liberation?  

I think that what you do is interesting and wonderful, just please remember, some are on there own path to self knowledge, be sure not to presume and intrude.  If you&#039;re sre you&#039;re not presuming and intruding, then go forth with a sense of authenticity.  However, I&#039;m not sure that art is capable of achieving what you hope to achieve.

Thanks  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that what you do is interesting to contemplate; the shaking up of a person or person&#8217;s usual, filtered, safe, state of mind.  But don&#8217;t forget that the instinct to be safe is driven by exactly real existential anxieties.  Please be sure that you have personally, deeply, honestly examined your methodology for precipitating a break-through.  Please consider whether true breakthroughs must come from within.  For some, your method can reap benefit, because their position in their processes of emotional liberation is fertil.  But for others, plain and simple, it won&#8217;t be.  For those others are you projecting what would benefit you, in your position in the procces of liberation?  </p>
<p>I think that what you do is interesting and wonderful, just please remember, some are on there own path to self knowledge, be sure not to presume and intrude.  If you&#8217;re sre you&#8217;re not presuming and intruding, then go forth with a sense of authenticity.  However, I&#8217;m not sure that art is capable of achieving what you hope to achieve.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 03:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard about you on TAL this morning. While listening to your prank on &#039;Ted&#039;, several times I found myself uttering, &#039;This is pathetic&#039;. Pathetic that you would deceive and hurt someone and later try to justify it (but we gave him a gift certificate!!). Pathetic that your life is so empty that this is how you choose to spend your time. Respect for others begins with TELLING THE TRUTH. If you wanted to help people, there are countless millions on the planet with great needs. Interesting that your form of helping others always involves manipulation and deception.  You get off on your own power.  Which is what it is about - having power over other people. Can you say, &#039;personality disorder&#039;?  YOU ARE PATHETIC.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard about you on TAL this morning. While listening to your prank on &#8216;Ted&#8217;, several times I found myself uttering, &#8216;This is pathetic&#8217;. Pathetic that you would deceive and hurt someone and later try to justify it (but we gave him a gift certificate!!). Pathetic that your life is so empty that this is how you choose to spend your time. Respect for others begins with TELLING THE TRUTH. If you wanted to help people, there are countless millions on the planet with great needs. Interesting that your form of helping others always involves manipulation and deception.  You get off on your own power.  Which is what it is about &#8211; having power over other people. Can you say, &#8216;personality disorder&#8217;?  YOU ARE PATHETIC.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 02:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved hearing about you guys on TAL this evening.  It reminded me a bit of the movie, Amelie, someone who cares enough to try and make life better for someone else, or at least more interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved hearing about you guys on TAL this evening.  It reminded me a bit of the movie, Amelie, someone who cares enough to try and make life better for someone else, or at least more interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill from NH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill from NH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion is that the &quot;Ghost of Pasha&quot; bit was mean-spirited at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion is that the &#8220;Ghost of Pasha&#8221; bit was mean-spirited at best.</p>
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		<title>By: klaus von blowhole</title>
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		<dc:creator>klaus von blowhole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2006 20:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally the improvs you do are benign, and in the right mind they could cause some intellectual growth or enjoyment, but the Ghost of Posha trick was beyond the pale. I’ve now heard the NPR piece twice and consider what you did obnoxious.

You don’t acknowledge any difference between the Starbucks goof and the Posha one. It must be easier to admire yourself that way. There is one way your trick would have been ethically acceptable; if you never wrote a word about it and it was simply a fond memory discussed with friends, and an inexplicably happy day for the band. Then it would have been a sublime gift.

Instead like a jackass you publicized it instantly, transforming what you did into mockery. A prosaic visit to a coffeehouse where something whimsical is occurring, is worlds away from telling people their creative endeavor (which seemed to be worthy of adulation) was really just a punchline for a team of giant assholes.

Noone buying coffee had their self-esteem fucked with. As far as transactions go, Ghost of Pasha was swindled. They have every right to be disgusted with you.

You guys are unconscionable dicks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally the improvs you do are benign, and in the right mind they could cause some intellectual growth or enjoyment, but the Ghost of Posha trick was beyond the pale. I’ve now heard the NPR piece twice and consider what you did obnoxious.</p>
<p>You don’t acknowledge any difference between the Starbucks goof and the Posha one. It must be easier to admire yourself that way. There is one way your trick would have been ethically acceptable; if you never wrote a word about it and it was simply a fond memory discussed with friends, and an inexplicably happy day for the band. Then it would have been a sublime gift.</p>
<p>Instead like a jackass you publicized it instantly, transforming what you did into mockery. A prosaic visit to a coffeehouse where something whimsical is occurring, is worlds away from telling people their creative endeavor (which seemed to be worthy of adulation) was really just a punchline for a team of giant assholes.</p>
<p>Noone buying coffee had their self-esteem fucked with. As far as transactions go, Ghost of Pasha was swindled. They have every right to be disgusted with you.</p>
<p>You guys are unconscionable dicks.</p>
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